kazaa

[dragon]

Sounds like RIAA is going after indeviduals now, :rolleyes: when will the learn the way to stop piracy is to charge resonable prices in the first place.


although i don't condone the actions of the pirates, i can see why they they do it, i think its cus the music/software is to damn expensive to buy.



simple way to grately reduce the number of people pirating, reduce prices, i mean what does it cost them to make a cd, probably less than a quid, they could easily afford to cut prices by 50% maybe even more and still make a profit.


this is esp the case for software, how can m$ justify charging £300 or more for office ?:!shock:

[screwedlilbunny]

it gonna take them a helluva lotta time to get everyone :D

[Dusti_man]

Random arrests like that are a form or terrorism. Same principles. They are evil eeeeevil people for doing that! :fight:

I've stopped using Kazaa now because it's become too crippled with quite damaging viruses. If you forget to scan even one file in every hundred then sooner or later your system will die because of it.

I just don't think it's worth the hass m'self...

[dragon]

i think they are only going after the big shares so most ppl would be ok, besides there are over 3million users on kazaa


:!shock:

[dragon]

Originally posted by Dusti_man


I've stopped using Kazaa now because it's become too crippled with quite damaging viruses. If you forget to scan even one file in every hundred then sooner or later your system will die because of it.

I just don't think it's worth the hass m'self...


then the auto scanning isnt doing its job! thats why loads of system resources get used up when the virus scanner scans every file that is open or saved thats also one of the reasons my laptop runs so slowly, that and its a 233cpu running xp

:!shock:

[Dusti_man]

Most of the viruses I've been passed from Kazaa, for example the 'worm' ones tend to be dormant until you execute or even view the file.

They then replicate and replace the original code of the file before spreading to any other file which happens to be near, eg; anything in your Kazaa Shared folder.

That means by the time your system's realised that files are expanding you've probably already shared the passive code with the other users in diferent files from the original one.

Any I got hit with seem to have slipped effortlessly past Bullguard-lite.

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And if they even arrest one random person in every 5000 users it will scare many, many more away from using the service. That's in essence using fear to control peoples behaviour. Eeeeeevil! :D

[dragon]

the antivirus wont pick them up?:confused:


it had better do

[Dusti_man]

You should never rely on Kazaa's Virus scan alone.

You need to be constantly running a dynamic virus monitor which watches your drives to see if any files are miraculously growing.

These viruses are just a basic code inserted into any file which don't do anything suspicious or identifiable untill they're triggered.

The first virus I recieved took over a month to become noticable and by that stage the system was ruined. I even had to discard my backups for that period.

[dragon]

well i removed kazaa cus it was being a resource hog and thrashing the hdd like mad :confused:


think its cus of the lack of power in the laptop.


checked for virues and havent got any, i use mcafee with auto scan on and i manually scaned all the files.



i think ill try somit like edonkey or somit else but kazaa was just thrasing the hdd like mad, i gave it a while but it was still doing it so i just killed it and removed it.

[dragon]

whats good p2p software? kazza is full of fakes and runs slowly.

[Dusti_man]

There's loads of available clients which use the Gnutella network. Even Napshare and Phex use this if I remember rightly.

Gnutella is mainly music tho...

I think E-donkey uses the E-mule network but I've never tried it m'sel.

Peer to peer is well dodgy though. I wish we still had decent FTP communites :rolleyes:

[dragon]

yeah me 2, oh well i guess its a case of which p2p:confused:

[zak]

i use kazaalite with no probs at all,cose it isent riddled with spyware like kazaa

[dragon]

Originally posted by zak
i use kazaalite with no probs at all,cose it isent riddled with spyware like kazaa


thats what i was using buti t started thrasing @ my hdd loads and i wasnt doing anything on it at the time :confused: so i removed it

[Ben]

I don't see anything wrong with using Kazaalite for music only - afaik you're safe with MP3's, pretty much! It's an audio file so it can't execute. Other formats, however, I don't know. I would never download software from a P2P.

WinMX is also quite good but you'll probably have to wait longer for downloads. Gnutella I have never had success with :(

Re: going after individuals - dooooooooon't share your My Music folder or anything like that. You should always share a little bit of stuff, just a few things that you think are helpful. I tend to have a folder for sharing/downloading, and then after a little while I move the files to My (whatever). Another option is to just share a little bit of harder-to-find stuff. I only share southpark episodes on kazaa :P

[Morph]

I've downloaded lots of programs without any problems....there are a few tips though....only download files that are about the right file size....and download off the source with the most users....when i got PSP8 it had 93 users, so chances are that it is OK, as most people who download corrput/virused (that a word?) files delete them right away. And always scan with anti-virus before you execute the file.

[Dusti_man]

I think Mp3s can contain viruses which specifically trigger through the mime engine of the player in the same way an image file can trigger one using a web browser.

But to be fair I've never come across either of these things happening!

The only problem I ever had with Mp3's off Kazaa was that some were overcompressed and sounded awful. :p

I do sort of miss it tho...

[dragon]

i think ill leave it for now as it make the laptop run **** slow, rest assused ill be back on it in the near future.!;)

[The Mullet of G]

Hmm the age old question of P2P or not P2P, kazaa is probably best avoided for the aforementioned reasons virus's & fakes etc, and yup mp3's can contain virus's, programs like silkrope etc if I recall correctly can attach a virus to pretty much any kind of file, and don't rely on kazaa's Bullguard as its totally useless, for mp3's I mainly use Soulseek (www.slsk.org) but for albums there is only one place, the good old trusty emule, all albums are archives meaning you get the individual named tracks and the covers and I can count on one hand the amount of times its failed to come up with the goods, its also the best place to get pretty much anything else you want long before it ever reaches kazaa etc, but your gonna have to run it on a fairly decent PC, as it'll just grind slower PC's to a halt as its a resource hungry beast, to get emule or if you just wanna see what all the fuss is about check here Sharereactor (http://www.sharereactor.com) <----- the home of all things good and great :p

[Ben]

Hmm I thought silkrope was for binding the Back Orffice files into an executable program file of your choosing...

I'm still pretty sure that there are no such bugs in Windows Media Player that would allow code in an MP3 file to be executed - cus that would be pretty damn stupid :P

Oh I did find this though:
http://www.f-secure.com/hoaxes/mp3vir.shtml
There are no viruses to infect MP3 audio files. There is one widespread fake warning on such virus in circulation.

Lets just hope that if any bug *was* to occur in any of the popular media players, it would be plugged up pretty quick! A lot of people use more than one P2P app, so you're likely to be getting the same stuff no matter what network you choose.

(btw I think such exploits have existed in the past but were patched)

[Dusti_man]

Windows media player/ realplayer/ winamp etc. all access the internet when they're given certain files to play and could be easily tricked into opening an html page containing a virus for example.

Silkrope and joiner seem to be well documented but renedered pretty safe by even a basic firewall. Most trojan related things are thank god.

...all this talks makin me parinoid! :Roll:

[Ben]

but anything html based or otherwise that is executed through internet explorer or otherwise are, of course, making use of bugs in the software - and such exploits are normally quickly patched.

Infact, one exploit that was in Windows Media in XP before windows patched it involved, as they usually do, a buffer overflow, triggered by invalid header information in music files.

these kind of exploits are unlikely to be isolated to one P2P network. also - any mp3 file that had been modified to make use of a certain exploit would be perfectly harmless to any invunerable system.

dya kno - I was lookin round google earlier and I actually found a site with viruses and their source for download?! (wonders if that is common practice...)

[Dusti_man]

Patches or not there'll always be more so long as there are malicious maggots around to look for em :p

Those sites are pretty common sadly and a lot of problems are caused by them.

Hackers are just guys who like playing with software and customising things.

Crackers are the 'war-games' type who want to impair or destroy services offered by companies and organisations they don't like.

Then there's those 'script-kiddie' sites who post up fragments of badly formatted codes and dangerous walkthroughs without generally even understanding how they work. These are the people who brainlessly copy and paste their way to damaging peoples personal computers with no reason.

Why hosts allow it to continue I'll never know.

[dragon]

well i dunno if i can run emule im beind a Router and as for going slow, i dont really wanna run in on my desktop pc .


btw i do run mcafee virus scan 7 and firewall 4.

so that should keep the nastys at bay (if its doing its job properly)

[The Mullet of G]

yup like the Dusti man says, it doesn't matter how many patches they bring out someone will always find another way around it, I mean just look how many security patches are released on Windows update, and they are releasing new patches all the time due to the fact that its impossible to make an operating system totally secure, when running Windows update there is 16 seperate security updates available to me one of which is for Windows media player, and they are only the patches for the exploits etc that Microshaft know about, theres probably millions that they don't know about.


@ Dragon what do you mean kazaa is thrashing your hdd? also its to be expected that your gonna be suffering major slowdown whilst running XP on a 233mhz laptop, I run Windows 2000 on a 733mhz laptop and its unbearably slow, so much so I just don't use the thing.

[Mortal]

Ive used KaZaA a few times i cant say they've been gr8 experiences with it either..
Yeah its good to get sum things off of there but now ive deleted all the things ive eva downloaded with KaZaA and KaZaA itself!!

U can say about choosing the right file size but it really hard to judge if u have neva used that type of software b4 plus when u look @ the same file that ppl have downloaded the file size always seems differnt,
1 time i wanted this peice of software so i searched 4 it found it then looked for the smallest file size thinking that it wont have any hidden viruses...how wrong it came with 1 that didnt wreck the computer but it was annoying...so thing is neva trust KaZaA and always sacn your files u download as well b4 u intstall or open (that was soo obvious but there ya go) :D

[Dusti_man]

*looks sheepishly at his laptop which is currently pumping down a Bobby Con album*

Okay okay so I have no spine!

Just couldn't resist the free music man... :p

[The Mullet of G]

*looks sheepishly at his shed which is currently pumping down 4gb+ per day of obviously legitimate tunes, films, software and games* damn 1mb broadband is a blessing :D

[killinmachine10]

There is a post around on an internet site (will find it l8er!) that KaZaA is now suing the RIAA coz them greedy people (I won't swear! lol!) were using KaZaA to trace people downloading material off from KaZaA!

All I hope is that KaZaA will win this case so people cannot be sued! Esp 12 year old girls! And yes the RIAA did sue a few girls!


Killin'


[Please post back if this makes sense!!!]:fight:

[The Mullet of G]

what so your saying its ok as long as they don't sue girls lol? what team are you batting for again? :p also if your using the latest version of Kazaa lite 2.4.3 I think it is then it blocks most of the RIAA IP adresses, but to be honest I don't really trust it, better of with emule as its IP blocker is far better, and your correct Kazaa BV is indeed suing the RIAA. :)

[killinmachine10]

And here is da site to prove it!

CLICK ERE!!! (http://www.megagames.com/news/html/pc/kazaasuesriaa.shtml)


Killin' :fight:

[franbeec]

I can download them but cant install them.....got no admin rights.....:(

[Neo]

I have Kazza BUT i download the things which have viruses so i dont use it much :(

[hayley]

i have kazaa but its kinda not workin at the mo....dont ava clue y???
i have a program that wen i download summit of kazaa this program checks it 4 viruses so i dont get none....
:banana:

[The Mullet of G]

Tsk tsk no swearing please :p and would that be Bullguard by any chance? I tend to leave all virus fighting duties to the rock solid Norton AV Corporate 8.1, and have you tried uninstalling kazaa then reinstalling it? :D

[hayley]

whos swearin.....?
yeah it is bullgard........yeah ive uninstalled it then re-installed it, it worked but now its not!!!
ill get ma dad 2 ava luk at it coz hes a genius wen it cums 2 computers n stuff!!!
:banana

[hayley]

YEAH!!!

it workin now......dunno wot my dad did 2 it but e got it workin

rnt dads just all genious's wen it comes 2 eletronics n (censored)

Edit by Ben: Please watch your language! Masked swearing is not allowed.