evolution

[franbeec]

who believes in the theory of evolution? U know, the whole Big Bang and us being monkeys thing

[screwedlilbunny]

umm its kinda true as i learnt about it in science.. dunno bout the big bang thing but the monkey bits true. either that or my crap teacher was wrong ...and many other very clever scientists in the world. It happens with all animals.

[Flûmplê]

I don't beleave in evolution

I have this booklet from RE Theres a really good section on it about this topic.. will hunt it out and type it out!! :D

[screwedlilbunny]

damn RE thank god (dont even say anything to me saying thankgod) i didn't do that hated RE hate Religions in fact hey its peoples beliefs n stuff i respect that but i have toooooootally different views and don't believe in any god.. in my opinion there is no god i mean where the hell would he go.. they say heavens up there nuh uhhh i think not you will find the universe where heaven is s'posed to be and if some one says its after the universe then i may have to laugh.

[Flûmplê]

That sparked off alot of anger :(

[franbeec]

uhuh, i beleive in god too, i think its horrible to even think that someone creates something but then gives one of the actual creations all the credit for it...i mean i dont beleive a word scientists say, they're so unreliable and keep changing their theores

[Anti-Flag]

I may have said this before... but I'll say it again...

I AM YOUR GOD! NOW PRAISE!

[Alice]

:bow:

[The Mullet of G]

lol classic reasoning there Franbeep, but surely religion is the biggest culprit for unreliability and changing theories, just take the 10 commandments for instance its funny how all the stuff about methods of sacrafice etc has been conveniantly forgotten about, in fact most of it bears no relevance to the 3 sets of 10 commandments good old Moses allegedly recieved from this god fellow, there doesn't appear to be any mention in the bible of God issuing an updated set in the last half century so where did the current set come from? also there is concrete proof that evolution did happen and is still happening, and there is now concrete proof that the big bang did in fact occur also as they have tracked the blast wave it produced, taking the speed of sound and the distance that the wave has now travelled away from earth they can also pretty acurately predict its time of occurence, I'm not seeing any such concrete evidence that supports anything the bible has to say so I'm gonna have to go with science on this one. ;)

[Anti-Flag]

Weird Science?? Damn she was hot.....

[screwedlilbunny]

i believe religion is man made and there to keep the people that actually believe it in order.. but thats just my opinion even though relighion is one of the main causes to wars and violence around the world.

[The Mullet of G]

yup pretty much what I was getting at in a roundabout fashion with the 10 commandments thing, every 2 or 3 hundred years they give them a revamp to suit the do gooder code of conduct for that current time, hence the reason they neglect to mention the sacrifice stuff in the new edition of the 10 commandments, give it a hundred years and "thou shalt not download music from kazaa" will probably make an appearance lol :p

[Ruthie]

Ahem - Just listening to XTC - Dear God and i heard this..

Did you make mankind after we made you?

Well.. that got me thinking..

[Chrissy]

If we came from monkeys why didnt they all change to humans?

[The Mullet of G]

because we didn't actually come from monkeys, we started life as single cell organisms much like most of the species on the planet, but over millions of years we evolved towards an ape like appearance then onto the appearance we have today, the reason we evolved is due to changes in the living conditions on earth we had to adapt to survive, our evolution has probably slowed now due to the earth being a lot less volatile, but if the ozone layer packs in or something similar then life will evolve over time to survive it as it has done since it all kicked off, and the reason monkeys are still monkeys is cause life would be boring without monkeys :D

[franbeec]

Originally posted by The Mullet of G
yup pretty much what I was getting at in a roundabout fashion with the 10 commandments thing, every 2 or 3 hundred years they give them a revamp to suit the do gooder code of conduct for that current time
No way lol its totally not possible without anyone noticing the changes

[franbeec]

Originally posted by The Mullet of G
give it a hundred years and "thou shalt not download music from kazaa" will probably make an appearance lol :p
um, i doubt that very much, that wud just be too obvious, everyone knows computers werent invented in Jesus time....:D

[Expensive_Habit]

I thought the Dead Sea scrolls were meant to disprove evolution..

Correct me if im wrong..

[screwedlilbunny]

haha i like what mullet said! noit only thou shall not download from kazaa thou shall not molest little kiddies.. (bet they will make that one cos jesus liked a fidd....) .. i'll stop trying to call jesus a pervert now.

[Expensive_Habit]

*applies Jay style voice* Jesus loves the little chilllllldren.. :p

[screwedlilbunny]

Originally posted by Expensive_Habit
*applies Jay style voice* Jesus loves the little chilllllldren.. :p LMAO! :lol@U: :!pmsl: couldnt have said it better myself i uhh mean um!?? SHOCKING!??! :shock: << see the shock there..yeah right there!

[The Mullet of G]

Originally posted by Expensive_Habit
I thought the Dead Sea scrolls were meant to disprove evolution..

Correct me if im wrong..


your corrected :D even if the contents of the scrolls were angled at disproving evolution it doesn't really count for much, I mean if someone turned around tomorrow and said world war 2 didn't really happen because they had found a set of scrolls that disproved it are you gonna believe them or are you going to trust the overwhelming burden of physical proof that it did happen? besides I doubt if anyone really knows what the dead sea scrolls actually say as translating them is largely guess work, interpreting there meaning acurately therefore is pretty much impossible.

[Expensive_Habit]

Originally posted by The Mullet of G
your corrected :D even if the contents of the scrolls were angled at disproving evolution it doesn't really count for much, I mean if someone turned around tomorrow and said world war 2 didn't really happen because they had found a set of scrolls that disproved it are you gonna believe them or are you going to trust the overwhelming burden of physical proof that it did happen? besides I doubt if anyone really knows what the dead sea scrolls actually say as translating them is largely guess work, interpreting there meaning acurately therefore is pretty much impossible.

Fair enough :p

Personally, no matter what anyone tells me I wont believe in evolution though..

[Anti-Flag]

Werent there other scrolly things found... The Catholic church have kept them under lock and key for many many years because basically they contradict everything in the bible... I really wish it was like the front page "This is a Work of Fiction.. any likeness to any persons living or otherwise is purely coincidental"... but its not as 'subtle' as that...

I really must find out what those are called again...
*read about em once*

[The Mullet of G]

lol I think that was in Stigmata was it not :D although I'm pretty sure I remember reading something about them finding a scroll written in aramaic in a cave somewhere, I think Stigmata is loosely based on said scroll. :D

[T_roxy_gurl]

i believe it really ....leading on from this who believes in other life in outer space???????? i think that theres an awfull lot of room out there so it would be an awfull waste of space if there was only us


but im not sure if it would be life that we could communicate with.

[screwedlilbunny]

Originally posted by T_roxy_gurl
i believe it really ....leading on from this who believes in other life in outer space???????? i think that theres an awfull lot of room out there so it would be an awfull waste of space if there was only us


but im not sure if it would be life that we could communicate with. you like asking questions dont you!?

[franbeec]

hmmm, i agree i think that if there are others out there ,we weren't meant to meet them

[The Mullet of G]

imo there is life out there without a doubt, and I reckon its fairly safe to say that we're unlikely to be the most advanced species in the universe, know one knows how old the universe is but it was probably here billions of years before the planet earth was even formed, if there was life kicking about somewhere back before the earth was formed theres a good chance they'll have advanced a lot further than we have, but in time we will meet other life as there is one common thing between all species on this planet and its our desire to explore, we have already briefly explored our nearest neighbour the moon (if you believe the yanks that is) and sent spacecraft to further reaching planets, with time and technology we will go further. :)

[Anti-Flag]

Originally posted by The Mullet of G
lol I think that was in Stigmata was it not :D although I'm pretty sure I remember reading something about them finding a scroll written in aramaic in a cave somewhere, I think Stigmata is loosely based on said scroll. :D

Ah yes... Stigmata. Get that all the time I do. Not very convenient I tell thee... Eh by gum!

[jonc74]

i believe that the things we think we know about life and evolution are fundamentally flawed , take evolution ........in nature any offspring that deviates from the genetic plate is killed instinctivly by the parents or are simply left to starve , this is endemic in all forms of life on earth except the recent exclusion of we humans , so evolution is kind of a contradiction in terms . i think the prevalent theory on the universe is that it has always been here which is a chronological impossibility . Or could it be that attempting to apply rules learnt on earth to the greater comos leads us to incorect answers ?

[The Mullet of G]

eh? I'm thinking over eagerness has lead you to wrong answers lol :p your correct about genetically flawed or different creatures usually being shunned by there own kind this is sadly also true with humans to a great extent, but this is instinctual to most species its survival of the fittest in all its glory, add to that the instinct to fear anything thats different or the minority, evolution on the otherhand is slightly different as its not really an individual thing, species tend to evolve together in a bid to survive lifestyle changes imposed upon them, also evolution happens over millions of years hence changes are unoticeable due to our short lifespan and short historical account of life, and shouldn't be confused with genetic flaws which tend to be more noticeable, also I think the prevalent theory on the universe is that it hasn't always been here, the fact that the universe is continually expanding into nothing suggests that in the begining there was just nothing and like a seed the universe grew into that nothing, the universe always being here is a cop out theory for people who can't get there head around the fact that nothing = 0

[jonc74]

evolution is genetic change my friend or do you suggeest that we still have the same dna blueprint as chromagnon man ? most annimals i.e birds , mice and rats have the ability to "sense" genetic flaws in potential mates and there own offspring in order to ensure survival of the strongest

[The Mullet of G]

erm again over eagerness has lead you to the wrong answer, hence you are infact arguing with yourself - very impressive, now why don't you go back and read my post again and if you find anything in there that provokes your argument then quote me in your next post as I'm not seeing it, infact you are all but just confirming everything I said, very strange :worry:

[jonc74]

in order to evolve annimals must deviate from the genetic template otherwise the evolutionary leap would not take place would it ? you said evolution was not genetic but it cant really be anything else otherwise the species would remain non-progressive , any evolution must take place at a genetic level , you are contradicting yourself here

[Alice]

:rolleyes:

urgh u guys r gonna hav to start writin shorter answers...takes sooo mcuh energy to catch up wen there so much to read!

[The Mullet of G]

Originally posted by jonc74
in order to evolve annimals must deviate from the genetic template otherwise the evolutionary leap would not take place would it ? you said evolution was not genetic but it cant really be anything else otherwise the species would remain non-progressive , any evolution must take place at a genetic level , you are contradicting yourself here


I get the feeling you're copying and pasting this stuff from somewhere as yet again it bears no relevance to anything I've said, where in my post did I say evolution wasn't genetic??? please quote where I have said this, as I said before your over eagerness is getting the better of you, I'd appreciate it if you actually took the time to read and understand what I've said before accusing me of contradiction, if you don't understand it either ask me or disregard it and move on.

[jonc74]

you stated evolution was somthing different from genetic deviation in your first reply , i dunno how this quote function works frankly and no im not pasting from somewhere else that would be silly and counterproductive . perhaps you should proof read your owm posts before submitting them

[The Mullet of G]

I think you'll find that I stated no such thing anywhere in any of my posts, but I think you already know this hence your failure to quote said statement, it doesn't take a genius to copy and paste the offending statement and paste it in your post with Quote The Mullet of G written above it, and perhaps you should read my posts before submitting yours - thus avoiding the current egg on face situation you now find yourself in :p

[Ruthie]

Anywho..

Back to the topic!
I don't believe in the evolution thing. I mean yeah, we may look like monkeys and stuff, but I find it hard to believe we came from them.

[The Mullet of G]

we didn't we were never monkeys or apes or anything else, we may have resembled apes slightly but resemblance is as close as it gets, so if evolution didn't happen what did?

[jonc74]

quote mullet of g
evolution on the otherhand is slightly different as its not really an individual thing, species tend to evolve together in a bid to survive lifestyle changes imposed upon them, also

[The Mullet of G]

oooh er I am impressed you finally learned how to copy and paste, now all you need to do is learn how to read and you'll be all the way, sorry mate but it seems that your over eagerness to prove me wrong has been your undoing again, if you had actually read my post properly you would have realised that you'd totally misinterpreted what I was saying, so I'll put it in simple terms to make it a bit easier for you to understand - if 1 person had 3 ears they would be considered a freak of nature and would be shunned as a result of being a minority, but if everybody grew a third ear then it'd be perfectly normal as you'd be part of the majority, this was in response to your view that the theory of evolution was flawed because in nature any creature born different was shunned, evolution and birth deformity are both indeed as you say genetic deviation at no point did I dispute that, but besides that they bear very little relevance to each other, ok now I want you to go back and read this thread again with an open mind and without jumping to conclusions and going off half cocked, now I want you to pick out all the times where you've argued against me for something that I haven't actually said, yes theres quite a few but I'm willing to spare you the embarrassment of making a public appology if you'll just take a little more time in future to read what is being said before issuing rash responses. :)

[jonc74]

again you have failed to make a cogent point if an entire generation of a species grew an extra ear they would still be different in genetic nature to the parents , who abandon or kill genetic deviations . ergo the entire generation of 3 eared offspring would be abandoned or killed outright . numerity is not the issue here we are talking about a basic law of nature , is this a simple enough explanation for you ? are you going to actually make a point or just dance around the issue ?

[The Mullet of G]

oh I think I've made my point, and the fact that you are now trying to pick trivial arguments with a simplified explanation only goes to enforce said point, you have no interest in discussing the topic openly, from the outset you have gone out of your way to pick arguments where there was no argument, and rather than accept that you could possibly have been wrong and have misinterpreted something, you would rather attempt to snatch some miniscule thread of triumph by winnng a trivial argument of your own making, I find that to be a very childish attitude for someone fast approaching 30.

[{Heidi}X]

now now Boys

calm it down please

and keep to the subject instead of the name calling each other

thankies :rolleyes:

[The Mullet of G]

:shock: what there was name calling going on, blah I always miss the good stuff lol ;) anyways back on topic imo from all the evidence I've seen or read about evolution happened, and untill someone comes up with a more credible theory backed with solid evidence I'm gonna stick with the whole evolution thing :D

[SonicSiss]

Evolution you say!!! Well I have to agree with this :D :D ...

[The Mullet of G]

I dunno about that pic, I mean the efeminate looking male one appears to turn into a woman-alike transformer thing and the woman one stays as an ape, its a cool theory but I'm not too sure about it :p

[jonc74]

dunno about the name calling thing i never noticed it , fast approaching 30 ? im 26 in case you didnt notice .And you should listen to your elders instead of employing shyster tricks to avoid an issue

[Alice]

:worry:

[Alice]

if evolution is true then shouldnt we still be evolving, because we're not exactly perfect now are we? and why didn't all the fish and monkeys, or whatever it was, evolve?

[The Mullet of G]

we are still evolving, but due to the fact that life is pretty settled on Earth these days, evolution will probably have slowed slightly as we aren't having to evolve to adapt to radical changes in the Earths living conditions, also the fish and the monkeys did evolve into fish and monkeys lol, fish have evolved into creatures that are highly efficent at living under water as monkeys are highly efficent at living in the trees, the reason why there are fish and monkeys etc is that its the only way so many species could co-inhabit the same planet, each one has to find its niche in the grand sceme of life, that is theres no point us all living onland when there is so much water to inhabit or so much air to fly about in, and theres no point us all eating the same food as that'd cause shortages hence the reason some species are vegitarian and some are carnivores, also you get insects in underground caves spiders etc that have evolved to the fact there is no light in there world, hence they are all white and blind as colour and sight are useless to them, the moral of the story is life will evolve to survive its surroundings and will very rarely evolve to new surroundings ie water to land unless its survival is threatned by too many other species trying to co-exist in the same surroundings causing food shortages and general living conflicts, I believe that if the ozone layer was to fail or something similar then life would evolve to survive the changes over time, as it has done in the past.

[confessor]

lol
thats a bit too simplistic
what changes did cromagnon man evolve to survive ?
none really they were doing pretty well as they were and what about the missing link ?